Male violence against women. It’s one of feminism’s biggest issues. Our right not to be hit, punched, pushed, physically hurt, raped or killed by a man is one of the core things that all different strands and variations – and all the different waves – of feminism totally agree on.
And yet smacking, and the way in which we discipline our children, is a bit of a “no go” area. Certainly, to criticise a mother for smacking her child is seen as disrespecting her parenting choices and her right to punish her own children as she sees fit.
(With that in mind I’m aware that what I’m writing might actually be controversial and ruffle a few feathers in places. Obviously, my views are my own, and not necessarily the views of all the writers here at Mothers for Women’s Lib.)
And yet the correlation between adult violence and childhood violence is there, and it’s a powerful one. And an obvious one if you think about it for any longer than a brief moment.
We know our children mimic everything we do. This is how they learn. It’s well known – from the joke about the parent who screams “stop fucking swearing!” at their child, to the (very gender stereotyped – but a subject for another post) UK anti-smoking advert which shows a child watching her parent have a cigarette, pretending to do exactly the same with a crayon – everyone knows that children do as we do, not as we say.
And yet, we want our little boys to grow up to be men for whom hitting a woman would be an anathema. We want our little girls to grow up without equating pain and violence with love.
But then we hit them. Sometimes we even hit them for hitting – and the irony, and inherent hypocrisy in that somehow escapes us!
Please bear in mind that the “us” and “we” do not necessarily mean you or I. I have never hit my son, though I was hit often myself as a child. I mean “us” as a society, and the fact that here in the UK we sanction the hitting of children under the guise of “reasonable chastisement”. You or I may not hit, but “we”, as a society, hit our children.
And those children will be very likely to grow up to hit. For some reason, boys that are hit tend to grow up to be violent, whereas girls that are hit are more likely to internalise it and expect to be hit – perhaps the difference between the way in which the sexes react to childhood hitting is a product of society’s expectations rather than the way they’re hit. Either way, hitting your child will ensure they equate a loving relationship with pain.
So yes, smacking is a feminist issue.
I just want to run a few phrases by you:
“But what is a man supposed to do when his partner just won’t do what you tell her?”
“But it works! I smack my partner sometimes – all my mates comment on how good she is.”
“My Dad hit my Mum – are you saying my Dad was a criminal?!”
“I only ever hit my wife as a last resort, when all attempts at explaining have failed.”
“I’d never hit my own wife, but I don’t judge other men who do hit. I certainly wouldn’t want them criminalised.”
“I don’t condone it when someone actually beats their wife up, but a small, loving smack from a well-meaning husband – what’s wrong with that?”
“I would never hit my wife in anger. I always wait until I have calmed down and hit her then. I always tell her when I’m going to hit her, and explain why I’m doing it.”
“How a man disciplines his wife is a family matter, not a matter for the state.”
“I was smacked by my husband but only when I deserved it. It never did me any harm.”
Don’t these phrases sound awful? You probably would have heard phrases like this back in the days of the “rule of thumb,” where it was joked that a man could legitimately beat his wife with a stick as long as it was no bigger than his thumb (there was actually no such rule – but it has not always been illegal for a man to hit his female partner). Thankfully, a man can now be prosecuted for domestic violence. It’s illegal to hit your wife. Even a “small smack”. Even if the man is at the end of his tether. Even if his wife won’t “behave”. There is no excuse. Things still are far from perfect – we’re only just tidying up the loopholes in the law for example, and there are other problems – but we’re on the right track.
Unfortunately, all the phrases I gave as examples above are used regularly to defend the legal smacking of children. “Reasonable chastisement” is still legal. How is this any different than the “rule of thumb”? It’s legal to hit your child… as long as it doesn’t leave a red mark. So the darker the child’s skin, the more okay it is to hit them? So it’s better to hit a child on the head than on the hand? This is not a clear rule – because there can be no clear rule. Because while there is still a “grey area” people will still abuse their children and get away with it.
And because, just as a man and a woman can have a great relationship, where each understands and respects the other, so too can a parent and child.
We must call an end to the legal condoning of hitting children by their parents, just like many years ago we made illegal the hitting of women by men.
Because if we hit our children:
We teach them pain and love go hand in hand
We set them up to expect pain in a loving relationship
We teach them that those who are smaller or in other ways more vulnerable than them are there to be controlled and overpowered
We risk turning our boys into men that hit women
We risk turning our girls into women that expect to be hit
(And that’s before we get into what it might do to our parent/child bond.)
Let us call a halt to it. Sign up to the NSPCC’s full stop campaign and join them in their campaign against smacking. Join the “Children are Unbeatable” alliance. If you do smack, learn alternative methods of parenting (there are plenty of resources out there). And when you think up a reason for why smacking shouldn’t be banned, apply your reasoning to a man hitting a woman, and ask if that would be a reasonable excuse.
Ruth Moss
October 25, 2008 at 9:30 am
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October 25, 2008 at 9:20 pm
I hit my daughter once. It didn’t do her any serious, long-term harm. She immediately said “You hit me! Even [her baby sister] isn’t allowed to hit! I’m telling!”
I apologised and we told her other parent together and he was Very Disappointed. It was about a year ago and she still remembers that I did hit her once, and it was very, very wrong.
I do think I might not have done it if I’d known it was illegal as well as immoral. The extra constraint might have helped me keep myself under control.
October 25, 2008 at 11:36 pm
I have yet to hear any persuasive justification for smacking children. It’s rightly a criminal offence to hit an unconsenting adult so why is it OK to hit a child? It is another illustration of the lack of respect generally afforded to children in this country from the moment they are born.
October 29, 2008 at 9:42 am
Here in Denmark it is completely illegal to hit a child. Not even as reasonable chastisement. We once had what was called the Right to Chastise. It was a right that all household heads had, meaning it was legal for a man to hit his wife and children, it was legal for him to hit his stable-boy etc etc. As workers unions grew powerful the right to chastise an employee physically became illegal, but it still applied to family members. I don’t recall how long ago it was abolished, suffice to say that it was. All smacking of others (adults as well as children) is illegal, but from there to people actually reporting a smack and a prosecution taking place – that’s loooong way.
Currently there is a lot of outrage in the media because of Faderhuset (The House of Fathers). It’s a religious sect here in Denmark, it’s rather small, but some former members have told stories about how they as children were horribly abused there. It’s a Christian sect, which really favours the method “spare the rod and spoil the child”. Some of the people who have escaped the sect describe it as military bootcamp for 8 year olds. Kids that age being woken up in the middle of the night with a pistol aimed at their forehead etc ect. The stories are insane. And so far not much can be done about it, because all the police has to go on is stories. No evidence, no nothing.
The authorities keep saying they’re keeping an eye on the sect, but really…if horror stories from people who went through this as children AND horror stories from people who were so brain-washed as to do this to children. (yes, a precious few have come out admitting they’ve partaken in these things) are not enough for an intervention and rescue of the children here, then what is? Sheesh.
November 3, 2008 at 4:53 pm
I have used smacking on my children. I still would. I’ve used it more for protection (keep away from the oven), then discipline, and I’ve found it worked for one child and didn’t for the other. I’ve been complimented on how wonderfully well behaved my children are, and their teachers find them kind, confident, well-balanced, cheerful children, so I can’t have done that bad a job.
Smacking a child does NOT equate to beating.
Ruth Moss, you say
“And those children will be very likely to grow up to hit. For some reason, boys that are hit tend to grow up to be violent, whereas girls that are hit are more likely to internalise it and expect to be hit – perhaps the difference between the way in which the sexes react to childhood hitting is a product of society’s expectations rather than the way they’re hit. Either way, hitting your child will ensure they equate a loving relationship with pain.”
Admittedly I haven’t made an in-depth study myself on the subject, but do you know what studies have found a correlation between forms of childhood discipline and violence as adults? The last I heard on the debate was that smacking, rather than beating, did not correlate with adulthood violent tendencies (or the expectation of being hit). If you know of any studies I would genuinely be interested in the links, or titles of the papers.
Lastly, I do not equate adults hitting each other (including men hitting their wives), with smacking my child. I am responsible for my child’s upbringing. No adult is responsible for MY upbringing when I am already an adult. There is very wide divide between domestic abuse/child abuse and smacking.
I’ll repeat: Smacking does no equate to beating. And my kids haven’t ever needed to be brought up short, by anyone, over hitting another. Oh, I lie, once, with one of them. And I’ve seen children whose parents don’t smack, hit other kids.
I would hazard that more factors are involved in adulthood domestic abuse than being smacked as a child.
For the record, I would never advocate wholesale smacking, it depends on how and where and why, and if it even works on the child you’re using it on! (it doesn’t always). Yes, it’s a very gray area, like domestic abuse. Many factors are involved and I would never condemn out of hand parents who didn’t, or DIDN’T, smack, as good or bad parents. Nor would I automatically consider their children predisposed (or not) to domestic violence.
I think you’re taking a far too simplistic view of the case. I’m not saying its not an issue for feminists to be concerned about, it’s an issue for everyone.
Having gone on at length, I shall shut up now, but before anyone releases the hounds, think of all I haven’t said about each point. As I said, there are many factors, and covering them all here (assuming I knew them) would be impossible.
November 3, 2008 at 4:54 pm
PS: Only the quote should be italics, I didn’t add “/” to the last
November 7, 2008 at 10:15 pm
If you’re looking into research into the effects of smacking you could start here, lots of interesting articles:
http://www.nospank.net/resrch.htm
Some stuff here:
http://educationalissues.suite101.com/article.cfm/spanking_and_deviate_behaviors
http://blogs.babiesonline.com/parenting/new-study-shows-negative-link-between-spanking-children-and-later-behavior/
(I think these refer to the same study actually)
You can also find lots of evidence that punishments (and rewards, strangely enough) work /in the short term but not the long term/ in Alfie Kohn’s incredibly well-researched and referenced book “Unconditional Parenting”, where he actually postulates an entirely new way of looking at children.
But even if a person is skeptical, and thinks there is only a /small/ chance that smacking could cause problems in adulthood – when there are so many methods of parenting out there that /don’t/ involve smacking – /why take the risk?/
“Lastly, I do not equate adults hitting each other (including men hitting their wives), with smacking my child. I am responsible for my child’s upbringing. No adult is responsible for MY upbringing when I am already an adult.”
Yes… and no. Some many years ago, a man would have said he was “responsible” for the conduct / behaviour of his wife and his children and that he was therefore entitled to reasonably chastise his wife. Maybe we need a new definition of responsibility?
I agree parents are responsible for their child’s / children’s upbringing. But I see this role as one of a gentle guide. I want him to do the right thing neither “because I said so and woe betide you” nor “because you will get a special sticker if you do” but because it’s the /right thing/.
Obviously I want to keep him safe. And if he goes for the cooker when it’s hot…
As a crawling baby I just didn’t cook when he was around, or used the microwave or the hob. I didn’t want to take the risk.
As a walking baby I explained “ouch! hot! hurt!” and mimicked the action of touching the cooker and hurting my hand.
As an older toddler… I have bought him his own play cooker because I understand the reason he wants to touch the real (hot) cooker… is because he’s only trying to be just like his Mummy and Daddy.
As a young child? I will explain the cooker is hot and it will hurt. If it persists I will ask him why he wants to touch the cooker when it is so hot? I will involve him in helping in the kitchen even with little things like mixing or pouring.
And as a teenager I’d bloody well hope he’s going to be doing his fair share of the cooking anyway!
November 7, 2008 at 10:30 pm
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1230651
(smacking and outcomes in adulthood)
http://www.wellcome.ac.uk/News/Media-office/Press-releases/2003/WTD002918.htm
(smacking – you’re probably doing it harder than you think)
December 3, 2008 at 8:05 pm
Great post, completely agree.
I have come close to smacking a couple times but thankfully was able to rein myself in and come to my senses.
December 15, 2008 at 12:34 pm
“We risk turning our boys into men that hit women
We risk turning our girls into women that expect to be hit”
Why is this a feminist issue? Surely if a child is hit by their parents it is common sense to assume that we risk turning boys and girls into men and women that may hit ANYONE and that if a child witnesses their Father hit their Mother then this would result in violent husbands and wives expectant of violence? And what about wives that abuse their husbands? How might your doctrine explain this social phenomena?
But then again, why take common sense? common sense gave us the rule of thumb, didn’t it? Sometimes children need a smack if they are being REALLY bad…like putting themselves or another in danger. However, like Ruth alluded to if you educate them right in the first place you shouldn’t have to. Sometimes it is necessary but if you use it as the rule rather than the exception then maybe you shouldn’t have children.
Furthermore, there is a growing amount of evidence to suggest that smacking children, in discipline not abuse, has none of the effects which you describe:
http://wudhi.com/mwv/smacking%20dunedin.htm
December 30, 2008 at 11:03 pm
there are some wonderful parenting methods out there,absolutley,and i did everything by the book with my 3rd child,and he was an absolute angel untill the age of 2 when he started hitting other children.why would he do this,seeing as he’d never been hit himself?i spoke to the doctor,the health visitor,anyone i could think of to get help,but it didnt stop untill my husband moved in and child number 3 had a father figure,and some kind-but-firm guidence and dicipline.
i did smack him a few months ago(he is now 5),but as his response was to ask me to do it again i decided it just wasnt going to do any good.he has to learn to respect me,something neither smacking or ‘positive parenting’ can teach,just something i can only earn by not taking any s**t.
strangly enough,or maybe not,i have had no such problems with any of my 3 daughters.ok,my 10 year old is a bit hormonal and gobby,but she knows where to draw the line.am going to read ‘raising boys’ for a bit of insight,as i dont want to be raising the next generation of wife-beaters.
January 23, 2009 at 10:40 pm
Wow, thank you so much for that post. I was smacked and felt it hadn’t done me any harm, and considered it up to the parent to make that choice but now you have made me analyse my own behaviour, and really made me think by putting those phrases up. I now think the complete opposite – smacking should indeed be illegal. Wow, I don’t think I’ve ever had someone turn me around so quick! Thanks again.